Comments on: Overmanaged and Underled is Not Lean Leadership https://6sigma.com/overmanaged-and-underled/ Six Sigma Certification and Training Fri, 28 Feb 2025 05:56:03 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jon https://6sigma.com/overmanaged-and-underled/#comment-24931 Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:59:26 +0000 https://opexlearning.com/resources/457/overmanaged-and-underled#comment-24931 Reading this reminded me first of an IT project I worked on about 5 years ago. There was, for office political reasons, about 4 managers for and 4 workers. It was a nightmare. Everyone wanted to manage, nobody knew how to lead! Well, we have 1 manager that was the “project leader” but she did not understand the product, another was an overseeing manager who did not want the product (or the staff he sent to the project….), another who was managing the people (he did a good job) and another person who to this day I still think was a complete surplus to requirements. But this was very small scale. I dread to think the mess some huge companies must be in.

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By: Jon Miller https://6sigma.com/overmanaged-and-underled/#comment-24930 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:44:29 +0000 https://opexlearning.com/resources/457/overmanaged-and-underled#comment-24930 Hi Pete,

Great post and inspiring story. Some of the best advice anyone can take is “find a sensei” or mentor or coach or whatever helps you get out of your own way. Without one, it’s taken me a lot longer to keep out of my own way.

You can manage processes, but not people: you can only lead them.

Have a great year.

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By: Jason https://6sigma.com/overmanaged-and-underled/#comment-24929 Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:54:30 +0000 https://opexlearning.com/resources/457/overmanaged-and-underled#comment-24929 Your personal story is inspiring, as is your determination to ask more of yourself. I suspect both those things correlate well with great leadership.

Like you, I was a bit directionless when I started high school. I felt like I had a lot of ability in some areas but no real goals or passions. There were challenges at home as well.

My mentor was a high school math teacher who invested a lot of her time and energy into helping me do more with myself. There have been numerous times where things were still a struggle, but she gave me enough of a belief in myself to persevere.

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By: Julian Hessels https://6sigma.com/overmanaged-and-underled/#comment-24928 Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:48:33 +0000 https://opexlearning.com/resources/457/overmanaged-and-underled#comment-24928 Peter, Thanks that you are putting more posts on your blog again. Great!

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By: james https://6sigma.com/overmanaged-and-underled/#comment-24927 Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:41:59 +0000 https://opexlearning.com/resources/457/overmanaged-and-underled#comment-24927 Great post Peter. I think that is one of those buzzword topics that gets coverage but very little actual action. Leadership is hard work. Period. It means being at the top of your game all the time and always assuming that someone is watching you and picking up on your actions.

I was very lucky in my career to have had several great leaders. Some were while I was in the Army, some were while I was in the Marine Corps and I had some at Amazon.com. I am lucky to have one here at KP also. The qualities that all of these folks had were common among all of them. They cared about me and my development, they continually acted in a consistent manner, they did not put their careers before anyone else, and they made sure that folks below them knew who they were by making their presence known. They didn’t just walk around telling people what to do (although that is appropriate at times) but they also encouraged their people and showed a genuine interest in what they were doing.

Leadership is also an attitude. You have to “own” your role as a leader. It is too easy to say that you are a leader but not do the actions that show it. True leaders are very rare in the world we live in.

I wish you the best in your endeavor and your quest to become a leader. It is a very worthy goal and one that I have no doubt you will achieve.

james

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By: Justin https://6sigma.com/overmanaged-and-underled/#comment-24926 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:23:15 +0000 https://opexlearning.com/resources/457/overmanaged-and-underled#comment-24926 Nice post. Good point about leaders vs. managers.

There are no hard and fast rules for leadership (otherwise, everyone could just pick up a book and we’d have a bunch of great leaders instead of a slew of merely competent managers). Leadership is an ongoing discovery process that is different for everyone. However, lessons can most definitely be learned from mentors and from past leaders.

One of the best classes I took in business school was on leaders and leadership. We read the biography of a different leader each week and discussed them. The main takeaway is that different styles work for different people for different situations. Learning how these people managed their strengths and weaknesses in different situations is most valuable for discovering your own strengths and weaknesses when in comes to the challenges of leadership.

I would highly recommend reading biographies, especially those outside your domain (so don’t just run out and only read Jeff Bezos biography, for example, though it’s probably a good one). In that class, we read: Giannini (Bank of America), Watson (IBM), Colin Powell, Robert Moses (NYC), Shackleton (South Pole explorer), Sony, Rockefeller and Graham (Washington Post), among others. I’ve since picked up more.

Anyways, just my two cents. If you don’t necessarily have strong personal role models or mentors, you can always pick and choose the best that history has to offer!

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By: Amy Ceravalo https://6sigma.com/overmanaged-and-underled/#comment-24925 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:12:19 +0000 https://opexlearning.com/resources/457/overmanaged-and-underled#comment-24925 Great post and very honest. This kind of honesty and transparency is what I look for in a leader and are qualities that induces followership. Keep up the great articles — I’ve shared your blog with many supply chain and logistics team members where I work.

I did really well in High School…until my senior year. One of my teachers really challenged me and gave me some of the worst grades I had ever earned. I deserved them. It turns out that my previous teachers were just too easy on me. Not this teacher. He sat me down and explained to me that his job is to help me grow and the only way people grow is if they are challenged, and challenge usually means some growing pains too. I didn’t get it then, but 20 years later I am now so thankful to that teacher. He showed me that breezing through life brings very little job, but growth means pain but also much joy.

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